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More about St. Michael Island, contributed by Dr. Kate Muller Lispwski

Unfortunately we do not know the original names of all those Islands that latter were called 'St. Michael'. Had they some connection by a common name? May there once have existed a more of less big portion of land, which reached from North West Africa to the North West of Europe. Was this land broken up into many fragments, islands, which in great storms had experienced catastrophes like Atlantis? Even after the destruction kept the common St. Michael name? These Islands had developed into more or less sinister cliffs, which were felt by sailors to presage disaster. In those parts of the ocean they felt always 'in the hands of death', of some old pagan 'god of death' whose function was adapted later on Michael, the collector of the dead or of those destined to perish, formerly for the sailors 'troc', of Irish, 'or feigr', if Icelandic. The roaring sea was always all round them. The Greek God Poseidon had the surname 'the Roaring Bull' which corresponds to the old Irish god 'Donn'.

Webmaster Note: The Welsh use Teirw as plural 'bulls' with the introduction of a 'c' or 'g' upon the 'w' or added implies 'Sea-Bulls', and the 'or feigr' as Ur-Baqr implies a 'Great Bull', with the Phocea as Seal-Bags by product. We find that the use of these names in Cornish-Welsh ad-fixitives or prefixes in Trevalga, or Trevolga England which harks us back to the River Volga, or Bolga Russia. It also implies that a longer name once occurred like Teirw-ur-valga-donn, which shows the Volga and the Don rivers as the twin bulls in question, and involves twin names of the Nile River itself. The implication is that Ter-Ur-Pholcea-Don, means 'The Great War of Poseidon's Bulls', or 'Great War of Bulls, Osiris and Set'. How Michael comes into this is a transliteration problem. Michael if we made him Greek would be Michaelos, which would be Negelos for a 'Bull' as Negel, but the outcome has some kind of victory, so we have Makerios. In this case it would seem Horus in the end got the upper hand over their bull fighting place names. It seems the Ritual War in the Black Sea, was the same custom as the War in the region of the United Kingdom, which in both locations watching two walrus's fighting each other conjures the behavior of the sea rolling over dangerous rocks. St. Michael would thus typify the wars between rising or sinking lands and sea, especially if the land became a Tor over the sea as a sword of justice and victory for the living and the dead. He would in a cathonic sense be as a bull that weighed souls on a scale, like Anubis did. In this way St. Michael is tied with earthquake, or volcanic prone locations.

A Letter from Dr. Zhirov, Moscow, 2.XI.57 to E. Sykes 'a short contents of the book 'Atlantis' (Amnanmuga)' by N. Th. Zhirov 1957 ends

1.) The author is not a historian, an archeologist, and not a geologist. He is a chemist and attempts to approach the problem of Atlantis from positions of exact sciences, but without hyper-criticism that is characteristic for representatives of some very specialized sciences. The author supposes that if there is geological evidence for Atlantis then it is more so provable. The history of a geological study of the problem is the history study of struggle between two geological schools-archaic school of the so-called permanency of oceans and continents and progressive school that negates that opinion. While the existence of Atlantis cannot be admitted by the representatives of the archaic school of geology, for the progressive modern school its existence is very probable.

2.) The historical legend has preserved the narrative of the ancient Greek Philosopher, Plato, of the disaster, which befell the mythical continent Atlantis. This disaster is considered to be one of the great transgressions in the Quaternary, caused by the submergence of mountain ranges formed in the late Tertiary. This greatest Transgression of Quaternary embraced all the world and submerged not only Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, but also other mountain ridges of the late Teritiary-Lemuria in the Indian Ocean and West and East Pacifides in the Pacific Ocean. The Greatest Transgression of Quaternary is demonstrated by the existence of submarine canyons in all oceans. These submarine canyons were subgeral, which was proved by many scientists: Member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR Mr. Berg, Mr. G. Bourcart, Mr. G. Lindberg, Mr. R. Malaise and other scientists. The advocates of the archaic conception of the permanency of Oceans and Continents suppose that these submarine canyons and products of submarine currents, specially invented for the explanation of its origin, which is false. A hypothesis of the so-called turbidity currents is semi-fantastic and is not confirmed by facts.

3.) Consideration of the Atlantis legend, as related by Plato in his dialogues: "Thimaeus" and "Critias" proves once more that Atlantis could not possibly have been situated in America, Spain, or the Mediterranean, where some investigators of the problem would place it. Plato has pointed out very exactly the position of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, although he knew about the existence of America. The Old and New Worlds had a prolonged intercourse in very ancient time and later. There are many arguments in favour of this opinion and the number of them increase with each year. Plato probably knew about these connections. The present author supposes as being very probable that Voatn, a hero of Tzentales-mayas of Central America, migrated from Crete by the end of the second millenary B.C.

Webmasters Note-We may want to relook at the summize that the Cuban Underwater sites glyph was called by those investigating it Luwen or Crete like language falls in Zhirov's earlier observation of maya culture in 1957!!!!! This link to see point- http://earthfiles.com/earth303.htm

The mysterious Tartessos probably was the kingdom Eumelos mentioned by Plato. Later it formed a little Island and was at last partly submerged in historical times. Therefore the excavations of Mr. A. Schulten in Spain were unsuccessful. In general any other positions of Atlantis in other places of the world, but not in the Atlantic Ocean, is fully rejected in the basic and most creditable part of this legend.

4.) On the basis of data derived from Plato's dialogue an approximate attempt has been made to roughly calculate the dimensions of Atlantis and its population. The area of Atlantis was no more than 100,000 sq.km, the length more than 2,000 km, the width 500 km and less. The growing of coco palms demonstrates that Atlantis was situated 25' N. L. to the south. The population of Atlantis about 6,000,000 inhabitants. This value is calculated on the ground of Plato's data of the number of army. But as the Athenian-Atlantean war was undoubtedly a patriotic fiction of Plato in-so-much as the description of the pre-Athenian state was political fiction. The present author supposes that the dialogue of 'Critias' is undoubtedly a compellation but not Egyptian tradition only. He supposes that Plato himself destroyed the end of 'Critias' when, at the end of his life, he concedes that the Athenian-Atlantean war was fiction. The present author supposes that there is some elements of similarity between Plato's Legend and the history of Egyptian God Thoth as written in the so-called 'Dead's Book' and 'Pyramid Texts'.

5.) A hypothesis has been put forward that the super tsunami which arose during the flooding of Atlantis might have been the reason of the origin of myths about the global deluge among the peoples inhabiting the shores of the Atlantic, especially of the aborigens of America. The information of the legend that after the submergence of Atlantis in this place of Atlantic there remained muddy banks has the explanation; it was volcanic ash. At first there was no deep submergence of Atlantis too. The present depth of submergence formed as a result of succeeding subsidence. Generally speaking the present submarine Atlantis is not ancient subaeral Atlantis as in topography so in structure.

6.) A study of other legends about the mysterious islands and countries in the Atlantic Ocean by the present author has led him to the admission of the hypothesis of Mr. P. Termier about the protracted tectonic instability of the Atlantic and of submergings that continued after the sinking of the main part of Atlantis. From this point of view many of these legends might have been founded on actual events connected with such sinkings occurring during different historical epochs to our historical time. This opinion is analogical to that of Mr. R. Malaise. The present author thinks that a mysterious island of Antillia (Antiglia) with columns covered by pictures or inscriptions probably is identical with the mysterious country Siriat of the Egyptian God Thoth.

7.) The geological probability of the existence of Atlantis as a continent is demonstrated by the present author according to the study of modern progressive views about the nature and the origin of the oceans, of the geological history of the Atlantic Ocean, of a description of the topography and geological structure of the ocean bottom and of the data about the rocks at the bottom of the ocean in the place of the supposed sinking of Atlantis. According to Mrs. E. Hagemeister a more probably situation of the lost Atlantis is the northern part of now submarine mid-Atlantic Ridge (North-Atlantic Ridge) with Azores plateau. (Link reference http://earthfiles.com/earth303.htm) The present author thinks that this continent is presumably of a very late geological origin as far as geological epochs i.e. by the end of the Miocene or probably in Pliocene and existed to the end of Pleistocene and maybe latter, but in decreasing dimensions. It was the youngest continent of North Hemisphere. The submergence of Atlantis is exact chronological limit between Pleistocene and Molocene. The opinion about the existence of Atlantis is in accordance with the views and opinions of outstanding Soviet geologists, geotectomists, oceanologists and other scientists, as for instance Members of the Academy of Sciences of USSR, Mr. Obrutchev especially, geologists W. Beloussov, A. Mazazowitch, D. Mushketov, oceanologists Mrs. M. Klenova, and others. Analogical opinion is shared by Mr. R. Malaise based on the views of Scandinavian scientists. At the present time there are more exact scientific data in favor of the geological existence of Plato's Atlantis to the end of Pleistocene than to the contrary.

8.) A number of facts of indirect importance mentioned by Mrs. Hagemeister fairly coincide with the traditional date of the catastrophe of Atlantis. These facts are: the age of the origin of submarine rock masses (P. Tremier), the periods of the Gulf Stream penetrations into the Arctic Ocean (M. Yermolayev), the date of gigantic volcanic eruptions in North Atlantic (M. Bramlette and W. Bradley), the end of the Ice Age in Europe (A. Shnitikov). Thus, the fact of the major submergence of Atlantis in 10 millenary B.C. is fully coincident with the date cited in Plato's legend. Also the study of bottom core samples collected by Mr. C. Piggot shows that the North Atlantic Ridge was a subaeral limit between two marine currents-southern, warm, to the west from the ridge and the northern, cold, to the east from ridge, proved by Mr. R. Malaise. He thinks that it was so till some millenaries after the main submergence of Atlantis. Plato's Atlantis (North Atlantis) was the northern part of the Great Atlantis only. The second great part of Great Atlantis, the South Atlantis, in the southern hemisphere, was submerged earlier then the northern. Botanical and other data show that the subsidence moved from south to north. It is probable that the full submergence of South Atlantis finished later then the middle Pleistocene.

9.) The present author gives a general outline of the supposed location of Atlantis before the general submergence, of the seas that surrounded it and their currents. It is more probable that the Northern Atlantis, ending near the equator, consisted of three parts; the greatest island Azoris (Poseidonis) at foot of Azores platian, a more southern and narrower island Antilia and Equatorial archipelago. The schematic map is given also. The history of Atlantis is presented according to Mr. R. Malaise. He gives the best geological description of Atlantis problem. If the hypothesis of Mr. R. Malaise about very late submergence of the rest of Atlantis is correct, the present author thinks that in this way is explained the history of Odysseus, the hero of the western Mediterranean and probably the King of Prehistoric Malta, later appropriated by the ancient Greeks. The present author thinks also that at the time of 5-3 Millenaries B.C. there existed Great marine Circular Cours; the eastern part of it spread to the eastern Russia via Manytch-Volga-the Baltic or the White Sea. Geological data of some Soviet geologists show that in this region there might have existed a long strait and some lakes, now existing no more owing to geological raisings.

10.) An examination of the hypothesis of Mrs. E. Hagemeister on the connection of Atlantis and the Gulf Stream with the formation and disappearance of glaciers in Europe and North America, demonstrates the probability of its being the best and the simplest explanation of these facts. E. Hagemeister's hypothesis was supported by the Member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, Mr. W. Obrutchev. He, a geologist and geographer, affirmed the reality of the existence of Atlantis in Quaternary (a letter to the present author and a concluding remarks to the article of Mrs. E. Hagemeister). The ideas of Mrs. Hagemeister are in accordance with the opinion of the outstanding Russian climatologist Mr. C. Brooks is given too. The existence of great mountain systems in Southern Hemisphere might explain the glaciation of the Antarctic. The geological history of Atlantis is not only closely bound with the history of the Atlantic Ocean, but also with the history of the Arctic Ocean too. The study of its history shows that in the Tertiary, in the opinion of present author, there was a great and broad straits or bonds of seas between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Then powerful warm marine currents of the two oceans reached the North Pole directly from the Equator and there existed a warmer climate about the North Pole. He assumes that the now submarine Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic Ocean arose as other great mountain submarine ridges at the end of Tertiary, in the end of the Pliocene. Subaeral existence of the Lomonosov-Ridge was a possible cause of the cooling of the North Pole's Region, beginning to the end of Tertiary.

11.) A short examination of the ethnological part of the problem shows that in accordance with Plato's data it is very possible that the development of an Atlantean culture corresponds to the Chaliolite, similar to the so-called pre-dynastic egypt, a fact which deprives this aspect of Plato's legend of its mythical character. An elaborate study of Plato's texts shows that the Atlants did not use bricks, cement and mortar but used natural stones and constructed cyclopical and megalithic buildings. Also the Atlants did not know the art of the smelting of metallic alloys. They knew of natural metals and alloys and metals of a direct reduction from ores. Although the Atlants knew copper and of tin, they did not know about bronze, similarly as the pre-Columbian Indians of North America and Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayas of Central America. The present author supposes that the mysterious oreichalkos was a natural brass that was produced by the direct reduction of a very rare mineral aurochalcite. Therefore brass was a very costly metal. The archaeological findings in Egypt show that the brassware was known in 3-4 millenaries B.C. before bronze was widely used. It is very probable that the primitive metallurgy arose on the ground of sacral kilning of iron minerals to the red paint for burials. Special Kilns for this purpose were found by Soviet Archaeologists in excavations taking to the end of Paleolite (Orignac-Solutiec Culture) Thus, the Atlantean Culture was not the culture of bronze. It is the culture of stones and megalites. The so-called 'people of dolmains', the first from 'marine peoples', were direct heirs and exparcings of Atlantean Culture, according to Mr. G. Poisson. But the opinion of Mr. Poisson that the Athenian-Atlantean war was the war between the peoples of the races of the so-called Comb-Capille and Cromagnon, is very improbable. The archaeological findings do not confirm this opinion and generally speaking the Athenian-Atlantean war is the most doubtful part of Plato's legend and led many investigators of the problem to false conclusions. The present author also thinks that the Poisson's exclusion of the Plato's dialogue 'Critias' from the study of Atlantis problem was rash. A compound chronological table (geological epochs, archaeological cultures and man's ancestor) with absolute chronology is given.

12.) It is probable that on the Atlantis there was one of the centers of the rise of Homo Sapiens. Atlantis was very suitable for this. The Member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, Mr. P. Ssushkin assumes that man developed from an ape in the mountain places that were formed as a result of tritonic movements. The present author thinks the volcanic eruptions early-acquainted mankind with fire, the abundance of obsidian gave the best material for stone tools. Later, in plains, the obsidian was substituted for flint. These were all conditions for an accelerated rise of Homo Sapiens. Archaeology shows that there are many facts of accelerated development of culture in the Paleolite. Some stone-tools of Orignac-Solutrecs Culture have a neolitical character by the bridge between Europe and America for man. The first man of America came in Paleolithic time from Atlantis. It is demonstrated by chronologically exactly established facts of the existence of ancient man in America when impassable glaciers covered all the north of North America. At this time man does not come from Asia through Bering Straits. The great volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and inundation's before and after the end of Atlantis was the cause of the first great migrations of peoples in Mesolite. They were the first but peaceful travels of marine peoples that continued for some millenaries.

Webmaster notes: Most people do not know that there was not just a moon race with the Soviets, but a Atlantis Race to who would find her out first, it was extended from the Nazi and British arguments about what area was Atlantis or what race in origin. For this reason it has been tragic that the Nasa program has included Russian participation, but without the scholarly participation on the Atlantis question, since the cold wars end the Atlantis information has been lacking in regards to Russian information. It is the web masters hope that Russian Atlantis writers can be encouraged to bring discussion and new information to this site, that other countries may have by now decided to hide from the public on the subject. And yes membership is open to Atlantean Research Journal.

A Discovery which may Prove to be Momentous, By Egerton Sykes 1958 begins

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