1969 cont.

Underwater Structures Found off North Bimini and Andros Islands, By Egerton Sykes

"Twelve years ago a Mr. Horace Gouvieva of Midland Texas, reported discovering cut stone under water off one of the islands of the Bahama Groups, either Andros or N. Bimini. I have photograph of the discovery, which was written up at the time in both Atlantis and New World Antiquity. Unfortunately, as so often happens, Mr. Gouvieva dropped out of the picture leaving no forwarding address. It was just over ten years after this that Dr. Manson Valentine, reported on the discovery of similar remains off Andros, and later on some off North Bimini. These obviously point to the existence of a culture of some kind which, as surmised by Dr. Valentine in an article in Muse News, Vol. 1, No. 2, 1969, was eliminated about BC 10,000, to my mind by the simultaneous fall of a series of extremely large meteorites, say between 5 and 10 miles in diameter, which caused not only a rise in the sea level but also a drop in that of the land off the Florida Coast. At the moment, as far as I know, it is nearly impossible to date these structures by any chemical process, but this does not prevent my partially agreeing with the date of 10,000 B.C.. I say partially because it is possible that there may have been two disasters, the second being about 5,000 B.C., at a rough guess, when the sea broke its way into the below sea level terrain of the Caribbean Sea and flooded it out." (Webmaster Note-You can see that a date of 5,000 BC may correspond with the Cuba find or may push that sequence about a 1,000 years later i.e. 4,000 BC, which is a very likely scenario or more plausible. History is not always fair though.) "This is based on the supposition that the sea itself was a vast meteorite crater and that it held the Atlantic Ocean back for thousands of years. After this the various tablelands on the mountains became islands. To my mind the whole of the sea bed should contain extremely valuable archaeological material for future investigation."

The suggestion made in 1965 by Commander V. Ralph Sobieralski, that there had been a causeway connecting the Bahamas Bank with Palm Beach, would fit in with either of these assumptions. On the European and African side the inland sea of North Africa dried up, the Strait of Gibralter was opened, the causeway connecting Italy with Tunisia via Malta was broken. This caused large scale migrations in North Africa to Egypt on the one hand and to Benin and the Ife Country of Nigeria on the other. Somebody put up the idea that the rectangular structure found near Pine Key, Andros, was a turtle pen. He seems to have forgotten that turtles can swim and this statement, if correct, proves that the land was above water. In the article in Muse News referred to above, Valentine states- "The only possibility of recovering the ancient culture would be from the deeply flooded and damaged caves and the people living there were the ancestors of the Caloosa Indians." I agree with this assumption, and wonder if the four-sided pyramidal mound at Estro on the West Coast, which he thinks to have been a pyramid, is not evidence of the fact that when the Mayans and their cousins landed they destroyed a culture as old as their own but slightly less bloodthirsty and on a lower technological level. I consider that the loss of arts and skills was simply due to there being crushed out of existence by the new arrivals. It is interesting speculation whether the ancestors of the Arawaks may not have been Meropidae, who lived on the two Atlantic islands named Merops and Machimos, and were referred to in a now lost play Thespis, -recorded by Diogenes Laertius and mentioned by Plutarch-in his Life of Solon- Theopompus, Ammianus Marcellinus and Varro among others. These two islands, which may have been the last remnants of the lost Atlantean Continent were certainly in existence in BC 5,000, just late enough for memories of them to have filtered down through Greek myth and history. This would explain their having had a higher cultural standard in the past, which was gradually eroded by hard living conditions."

Webmaster Note-You may notice on the new Atlantean Research Journal Vol. 1, No. 1 I gave a map as the most upto date of its kind about the speculation of Atlantis layout. I also noted the Machimos and the Mazmet or Mazma culture as the same type of group of ancient maritime culture and cousins of Azillians. This is the website to see that connection based on obsidean seekers……http://atlantisite.com/atlantismap.htm

"This raises another problem: Were the Arawaks having a form of Co-existence with the Maya, or did they only move in after a great migration to Mexico. To my mind the latter seems the most obvious solution. The great catastrophe may have been the sudden immersion of Merops and Machimos, which flooded the Caribbean Sea, forced the Maya to move to the mainland and left their islands free for the fleeing Arawaks."

Webmaster Note- This is an amazing comment, not only does Egerton say the Maya move from Haiti and Cuba into Mexico, and Yucatan, but that likewise the Arawak moved into the regions the Maya left. This is being proven scientifically as more and more plausible in recent finds. In light of the Cuba western underwater find, I will follow up by what Sykes is saying by the fact that the Cuba monuments do look Mayan, yet the art on Cuba of its eastern region is very likened to Haiti and Arawak works. It would seem Egerton Sykes was the first ever to note from Greek myth into causal circumstances of a flood in Caribbean, and the Maya expulsion from Machimos or Cuba, and the subsequent Arawak invasion. He is historically 85% correct in his assumptions. A modern example is what happened in 1935 in the Florida Keys when a hurricane destroyed much of the keys and killed many people. Many people who were going to move to the Keys stayed in Miami, while those of the island culture, or Indians and speculators of less dubious character invaded the island along with the WPA to bring confidence back into the Keys to live on??? If a hurricane did this imagine what the inundation of sea by sea-bridges collapsing would do to the average pyramid builder?

"The photographs of structures published in Valentine’s article, taken I gather by Count Pino Turolla, show definitely that at one time there was at least a Stone Age civilization and probably a bronze age one, living and working in the area. The article suggests the possibility of a Phoenician Port, in which case my dates may have to be changed from 5,000 to about 3,000 BC."

Webmaster Note- This again is amazing that the time table I suggested to the Cuba group, Andrew Collins and others that the Cuba structures will probably be found to be between 5,000 to 3,000 B.C. and probably not much earlier, yet for the Caribbean question in light of this Cuba issue Sykes was dead on in his reasoning.

" If we accept the date of 1,000 BC for the beginning of the Mayan migration to the mainland, possibly the Caloosas may have moved Northwards to avoid them, while the Arawaks began to move into the now vacated islands. The Caribs may well fit in with the Arawak concept. Events further North in Florida have been covered in another article in this issue. It seems fairly sure that while the various Meso American cultures may have moved from Mexico northwards, Florida was very little affected by any of them. I rather think that Valentine should be able to answer some of these important points in the near future and I wish him every success in his efforts. One thing I do hope is that it will be possible to get his paper on the x-Kukican site reprinted. I found it most valuable, and regret that somebody borrowed it and failed to return it." E.S.

Webmaster Note- Actually the Caloosa date back to at least 1,500 BC meaning they were in Florida before the 15th Dynasty of Egypt in a period earlier then Aahmes the I Pharaoh who kicked out the Hyksos in Egypt. The Caloosa are not Egyptian, but are Creole Phoenicians!!!! If we see that they may in Florida go back another 500 years it would put us at 2,000 BC which makes them a late Bronze Age Culture and may have arrived a little after 3,000 BC or after the walls of Caribbean had predominately collapsed. Most of this theory is mine alone and first proposed as the most likely explanation as to why the Caloosa where white colored Indians when the Spanish first arrived.

Ragnarok-The Time of the Disaster, E. Sykes a brief summary and a list of corresponding societies on Atlantis info. In1969



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